Jackie you are sure an interesting person. I am not sure why you would choose such an adversarial relationship with your daughter. Just a couple of things to say about spanking since I brought it up on 10/27/03. I don’t see anything wrong with spanking a child who is disobedient. My parents used spanking as the primary form of discipline with me through age 15. There were some differences between mom and dad though. where as dad spanked out of love mom would often spank out of anger. With dad I remember the routine was over the knee till about age 12. After age 13 he would have me stand with my feet together look ahead grab my knees then swat me with a stick that really got my attention. I always changed my behavior after dad spanked me. The routine with mom was different we had issues that started when I was about 13 and a half years old. She would often loose her temper and grab my left arm and beat my bottom with a stick till she got what ever out of her system. At times it seemed to that she would spank me just because she could. Sometimes I would not get in trouble even for major offences and sometimes I got beat for the slightest infraction. There were even times that I had no idea what I was getting spanked for. Around my 14th birthday I was still wetting once or twice a week. Mom decided to change the rules in the middle of the game and I was spanked every morning that my bed was wet. This made things worse and instead of being wet once or twice a week soon I was wetting every night. The hardest thing was being punished for something I had no control over. To this day mom and I are not close as we should be and I still don’t feel like I’m good enough for her. So everyone use good judgment and spank to maintain discipline and not out of anger. Stephanie.