Interesting comment and one I wish I could take back like I was talking about when I was 14 mom and I got on each other’s nerves big time. Often I got myself in trouble because I didn’t know when to shut up. Mom got angry she would grab my left arm and beat my butt till she got it out of her system. Now I worry it will happen again if she reads this (they can’t still spank you when you’re 25) I hope not. Dad on the other hand you could not provoke you got punished for breaking the rules not for running your mouth. I originally brought up spanking back in October as a more responsible alternative when someone suggested using diapers and humiliation as a way to deal with an uncooperative child. (See page 6 of this board 4 pages back from here the original post by Macon and read all replies) Spanking is a controversial subject and this isn’t really the place for it but I felt I needed to explain a little. Now for the issue of your kids it sounds like they wet at night every 4 hours or so. That is to be expected since they have never learned to hold at all if they have always worn pull-ups at night. If you get tired of getting up twice a night You might try giving less to drink at night and making sure they go to the bathroom before bed if you are not already doing that but every time they wet its an opportunity to learn. Hang in there Steph